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刘老和各位老师新年好!
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最近很少上网,来晚了,刚看到这么好的帖子。
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FS好! 多日不见,听说去年曾国,但未能相聚。 祝2013年万事如意!  详情 回复 发表于 2013-1-24 14:09
黄老师好!好久不见了,别来无恙哦 ~  发表于 2013-1-23 18:15
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不知此文内容是否靠谱,仅供参考:
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刘老和各位老师新年好!
欣赏学习了!
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    FS好!
    多日不见,听说去年曾回国,但未能相聚。
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刘老和各位老师新年好!
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黄老好久不见了,最近得闲出岛云游了?
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不知此文内容是否靠谱,仅供参考:

谢谢果老上图,确是很象。番人不得见中原少数民族之器,对这种sprinkler 皆以islamic或印度次大陆风格相称。Adrien 最近就有关于这个器型的一篇综述, 他有时也满嘴跑火车,所以谨供参考。
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META-MUSEUM - Chinese Export Silver for the Islamic World

The Chinese Export Silver makers of the 18th and 19th century were masters of adapting their skills to create objects of beauty not only for the Western world, but also for the Islamic world of Arabia and the Indian sub-continent.

This should hardly come as a surprise since the earliest silver that came into China in the Sung and Tang dynasties came from Sassania (modern-day Iran). This silver, created mainly by Sephardi Jewish silversmiths that lived in Sassania, had what we would recognise today as having distinct Persian and Mediterranean influences. So we find in the Qing dynasty - 1644-1912 (the last Imperial Chinese dynasty), Chinese Export Silver objects made specifically for the Islamic market; of these, the predominant was the rosewater sprinkler.

Illustrated [see pictures above, ill. 1] we have a circa 1830 rosewater sprinkler made by the Canton-based maker Yatshing. This item last appeared in auction at Christie’s, South Kensington in 2009 and realised a hammer price then of almost $3000. Today, I would expect such an item to achieve at least twice that, especially from such an early Chinese Export Silver maker.

Illustrated [ill. 2] we have a superb circa 1840 parcel-gilt chiselled and chased sprinkler from the Canton-based maker we know as “Gothic K”.

Rose water and rose water sprinklers have a long history. While predominantly of the Islamic world, rosewater sprinklers also have been used in the Indian sub-continent from the Mughal period (1526-1857) to the present day.

Perfumation and thurification have very long history and can be traced back to prehistoric times. For thurification various types of incense burners were and are used until this day. For perfumation rose-water was used which was stored and applied in specially made sprinklers. Rose, from which the rose-water was made, has a very long history. Some scholars claimed that the importance of the rose or indeed, the origin of roses was discovered by the Persians.

Illustrated [ill. 3] we have a Chinese Export Silver circa 1870 rosewater sprinkler by the Canton-based maker MK.

For storing perfumes the shape of the “tear bottles” or unguentaria was favoured. Evidence for the continuity of rose-water sprinklers is well provided by surviving bronze and later by copper and silver examples. The Arabic name for these rose-water sprinklers is qum-qum. In Iran and Central Asia, first of all in Afghanistan, such metal vessels became very popular and widespread during the early medieval Islamic period. There were several types made, but perhaps one of the earliest of these had pear-shaped bodies which was decorated with almond-shaped, or as they are sometimes called ‘tear-drop’ elements. These were not only decorative, but also functional since they provided better grips on the vessels. They had short waisted necks, opening mouths which had several small knobs around the rim. It is claimed that this type owes its origin to the earlier Roman bronze sprinklers.

In Persian they are known as golabdan. These are dated to the 9th or 10th century. The illustrated example may have been made in the famous metalworking centre based at Ghazni in Afghanistan.

As regards to metal sprinklers between the mid-13th and 16th centuries, we have only a few, but extremely nice examples. One of the finest known metal sprinklers, dates from the Mameluk period. It was made for the Mameluk Sultan Hassan (748/1347 - 762/1361) and is decorated with extensive gold and silver inlay. Its shape is very similar to the previously mentioned glass sprinklers, except that the body is pear-shaped. The tall and tapering neck has a collar at its lower end, but sadly the top is missing. Today it is preserved in the Museum of Islamic Art in Cairo.

After the sixteenth century an entirely new type of sprinklers were introduced and played important roles it seems in three countries, namely in Turkey, India and China. These new type of vessels were made of brass, copper but mainly silver.

Illustrated [ill. 4] we have a Chinese Export Silver circa 1900 rosewater sprinkler.

The word attar, which is today a synonym for rose oil, comes from the Arabic ‘itr, meaning “perfume” or “essence.” The first description of the distillation of rose petals was written by the ninth-century philosopher al-Kindi, and more sophisticated equipment was described in the 10th century by al-Razi; one of the earliest centers of rose-water production was in southern Persia. Later, in the 13th century, rose water was produced widely in Syria, and the name of the oil-bearing rose genus Damascena may trace its origins to the city of Damascus. But true attar — rose oil as we know it today — was not produced until the late 16th century, when the double-distillation technique was developed.

Hand-held rose-water sprinklers, traditionally made with long straight necks and bulbous bottoms, have a time-honoured role in festivities in much of the Islamic world. To mark the end of a wedding feast, rose water is sprinkled on the hands and faces of guests. Aesthetic appreciation and commercial demand have encouraged silversmiths and other artisans to develop exceptionally beautiful sprinklers, examples of which can be found in museums throughout the Arabian Gulf region. In the home, a precious rose-water sprinkler is a symbol of hospitality and, incidentally, a demonstration of social standing and affluence.

Rose water sprinklers were more often than not originally made as pairs [ill. 5]. Today, it is a matching pair that will have enhanced value due their rarity.

[by Adrien von Ferscht]

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多谢土弟及小果弟又将此帖捞起。原打算此帖打住,不想小果弟发了鸟图,土弟又发了个大“鸟语帖”,为兄俺读着甚费力,还请飞天把它译为华语吧!  详情 回复 发表于 2013-1-25 10:25
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严世农 发表于 2013-1-19 09:56
就象飞老果老统计的那样,带这种鸟的,经常打mk款,但也有其它款的,不奇怪,有人称它们为伊斯兰风格。我 ...

从此杯作工及纹饰看还值进一步推敲,杯体上花纹还似欧风。而盖纽上一只飞鸟究竟为什么鸟?只有生物学家鉴别后,知道是哪国的鸟,可能对鉴别此杯产国有说服力。
   但我觉此杯做工较好,倾向于是主流国家所制器物。

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老师,飞鸟难认,铭文似中东的,认字不多猜错见谅啊。  发表于 2013-1-25 17:16
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     多谢土弟及小果弟又将此帖捞起。原打算此帖打住,不想小果弟发了鸟图,土弟又发了个大“鸟语帖”,为兄俺读着甚费力,还请飞天把它译为华语吧!

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对不起飞老,又把你给害了,实在不行就用google :)  发表于 2013-1-25 23:19
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谢谢果老上图,确是很象。番人不得见中原少数民族之器,对这种sprinkler 皆以islamic或印度次大陆风格相称 ...

不是中原少数民族,而是西南少数民族,与东南亚许多民族同源。我认为是南亚或东南亚,而不是波斯、伊斯兰或阿拉伯……不过纹饰题材向来是满世界跑的,必须同时确定时期和地点,呵呵。
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META-MUSEUM - Chinese Export Silver for the Islamic World

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